Let’s Talk Faith and Politics: Conservatives & Republicans (p3)

Today is for those of you who would describe yourself as conservative and/or Republican.

I’m assuming that you’ve read this article:  Why I am a Christian and Republican

Two questions:

  1. How do you agree/disagree with the article?
  2. How did your faith & study of scripture lead you to your political position?

Thanks in advance for your willingness to share.

Tomorrow we will hear from progressives and/or Democrats.

(If you are just not entering into this dialogue please read this first:  Let’s Talk Faith and Politics (p1))

18 thoughts on “Let’s Talk Faith and Politics: Conservatives & Republicans (p3)

  1. I am a republican. As I looked for biblical references to justify my stance, I found lots of references to social issues. But I found no scripture that said that a government should provide for any societal group. I believe once the government takes the responsibility of caring for society away from the church, the church loses its compassion and no longer feels that obligation. Here are some scriptures that support the points in the RELEVANT Republican article that I strongly agree with.

    A republican prefers the church and voluntary groups, rather than government, provide social support and stability. Romans 15:1-2 illustrates this belief. “We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.”

    A republican believes each of us is not only responsible to pursue our own welfare, but to respond to the needs of their neighbors, without the state having to demand it. 1 Peter 5:2-3 says, “Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.”

    A republican believes families at their best, act as schools of virtue and that strong families minimize the need for state and social involvement. 1 Timothy 3:4-5 says, “He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)”

    A republican believes in the sanctity of life and that life starts at conception. Psalm 139:13 David says to God, “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.” And Isaiah 44:24 says, “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,”. And my favorite, Jeremiah 1:4-6, “The word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;”

  2. Republicans have typically been the most pro-life I will vote for the most pro-life candidate, including withdrawing funding for those avenues that lead to abortion of all kinds. The scripture for this is because God hates the shedding of innocent blood (Prov.6:17).

    Republicans have been the most pro-Israel candidate in word and in deed. This is addressed in the Word when it says, because God blesses those who bless Israel & curses those who don’t (Gen.12:3).

    Republicans, although not always consistent have typically been the most pro-debt reduction candidate. I realize President Bush increased the deficit but President Obama raised the deficit in 4 years what Bush did in 8 years. Neither is good so I will vote for the candidate I believe is most likely to lower the deficit because the borrower is servant to the lender (Prov.22:7).

    Jobs are important and the more private sector jobs that are sustainable without government subsidies the better. I will vote Republican for the most pro-work candidate because God says if a man does not work, let him not eat. (2 Thess 3:10).

    The Republicans are for a marriage between a man and a woman. I believe that is God’s best plan for His children. Republicans are the most pro-marriage candidate , because God is for marriage as defined in (Genesis 2:24).

    These are the Biblical principals that I apply that have resulted in me leaning and voting Republican. I do knowing that whoever gets elected, God is the one who puts all men in authority (Dan.2:21). And that I will pray for those in authority over me no matter who it is as I am required to submit to them (Heb. 13:17).

  3. I’m very impressed and fully agree with both Cathy and Rhonda’s responses. They are extremely well written and clear in their thinking, in line with both the bible and what the Republican party stands for. I have a lot of work to do this week and can’t contribute more (crunch time at CCU). Nice job, ladies. Thank you so much for your thoughtful approach.

  4. Response to the Article, “Why I am a Christian Republican.”
    Why Government is not the solution – I appreciated his paragraph describing the individual responsibility to pursue ones own welfare with the awareness to respond to one’s neighbor when they needed help. Our country was founded on the belief that we would remain free as long as we were a virtuous people who could rule himself or herself.
    Pro-Life and Beyond – The first paragraph of this description provides the most important reason why I am a Christian Republican. The Republican Party has consistently stood for Pro-Life Issues.
    Religious Liberty – This paragraph has identified an issue that is extremely important to me. Recent changes in the law has brought this issue very much to the forefront.
    Debt and Spending – I would have liked a lot more discussion in this paragraph, as the growing Government debt could be the end of the freedom we enjoy in this nation. In Psalm 37:21 it says, “Evil men borrow, but do not repay their debt.” Instead of repaying the debt, decisions continue to be passed on to our children and grandchildren. During World War II we had rationing in this country as everyone sacrificed so that the war could be won. Do we have the same resolve as a nation? Are we willing to elect people to office who will take the problem seriously and address it?

    How my faith and study led me to my political views.
    I am a Christian and vote as a Republican because of the following reasons: I am Pro-Life, I believe in preserving the definition of marriage as defined in the Bible, and I want to help the poor.

    From a Pro-Life perspective the following verses support the uniqueness of life even while pregnant. “Certainly you made my mind and heart; you wove me together in my mother’s womb.” (Psalm 139:13) In Luke 1:39-45 the account of Mary visiting Elizabeth is described. Elizabeth was in her third trimester of pregnancy and Mary was in her first trimester of pregnancy. When Mary came into the presence of Elizabeth, her baby who was in the womb, leaped through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Elizabeth knew at that point that Mary was carrying the Messiah. When the law was given to the Jews as described in Exodus 21, God described punishment for someone who injures a pregnant woman.

    I believe life begins at conception and that it should be protected and preserved. In our current culture the value of life is being reduced. There are an estimated 3,700 abortions a day in the United States and 115,000 abortions a day worldwide. This translates to 1.4 million a year in the United States and 42 Million a year worldwide. These numbers represent a great tragedy in these lives, the lives of the women, the lives of the men, and families. Words have been changed to numb us to the reality of the situation. In this country we use the words, “Freedom of Choice”. In South Africa, they use the words “Womb Cleansing.” Today, we have laws protecting turtle eggs, but we call Abortion “Freedom of Choice”. From my perspective freedom of choice occurs when men and women decide to have sexual relations not after a baby is conceived.

    Abortion has been a divisive issue in this country for 40 years. Laws have been in place so that taxpayers do not have to pay for abortions. These laws were changed with the Health Care Reform legislation. Organizations are now required to pay for abortion coverage and morning after pills in all health insurance plans. The Catholic Church, Christian Universities, and Christian Businesses have filed lawsuits against the Federal government for this violation of their “Freedom of Religious” rights as defined the 1st amendment of the US Constitution. If these organizations lose their lawsuits I imagine many will chose to stop providing any health coverage. I know that Catholic Adoption agencies in Illinois have stopped providing adoption services because they were required by Illinois law to make adoption services available to Same-Sex couples.

    I vote for Republicans because there is a large contrast in the two main political parties in terms of being Pro-Life. The Republican platform consistently has Pro-Life language and the Democratic platform consistently has Pro-Choice language. I look at individual candidates in terms of how they will stand on this issue. I am particularly interested in individuals running for President and for Governor as these individuals select individuals who will serve on our courts. I believe the Supreme Court inflicted immeasurable damage to our nation when they ruled on Roe v Wade in 1973.

    In terms of helping the poor, I draw on the following passages: Matthew 25, James 1, and Job 29. In Matthew 25 Jesus said whatever we do for the least of these, we also do to him. I believe helping the poor should primarily be done individually and by Christians. In terms of Government policies a balance is needed so that those who cannot provide for themselves receive care while having an environment that allows for the creation of jobs. Individuals should also have incentives to work hard for their families.

    The Bible also talks about the evil of oppressing the poor and borrowing money without any intent of paying it back. In Proverbs 14:31, one who oppresses the poor insults his Creator and whoever shows favor to the needy honors him. In Psalm 37:21 it says, “Evil men borrow, but do not repay their debt.” I believe we have created many new laws and regulations that are impacting businesses significantly. Many businesses are unable or unwilling to hire new employees in the current government climate. The Federal Government is also borrowing money at a dangerous pace. Psalm 37:21 has a strong indictment of borrowing without intending to pay it back. Politicians are borrowing with no plan to pay it back. If our nation survives, my children and grandchildren will incur the debt. Most democratic governments cease to exist after 200 years because the citizen’s vote for people based on how much benefit they will receive.

    It is important to measure the results of government actions and not their intent. I believe many policies are being implemented that are hurting the poor and causing more people to become poor. In the near future additional policies will be implemented which will cause more harm to the poor and elderly. The Government should cause no harm to the poor or cause more people to become poor. I believe Fiscal Conservatives provide the best balance of providing care for the poor, without harm, and without causing more people to become poor. I support Fiscal Conservatives. Most Fiscal Conservatives align themselves with the Republican Party.

    • That is such an ironic statement, Steve, in today’s political arena:
      “I am a Christian and vote as a Republican because of the following reasons: I am Pro-Life, I believe in preserving the definition of marriage as defined in the Bible, and I want to help the poor.”

      The Republican party is NEVER associated with helping the poor (I’m speaking towards media coverage). It’s always about the Democrats helping (by raising taxes and wealth distribution).

      But here’s the difference I see: Democrats tend to act as Socialists with tax-payer money (social programs, welfare, healthcare, free Obama phones). Whereas Republicans tend to help the poor by employing them, donating large sums of money to charities, thus being Socialistic with their OWN money.

      I know this is a generalization. But it’s seems so out of place to see someone talk about the Republican Party helping the poor.

      I completely AGREE with you, tho. I know the REP’s have done much and passed much legislation that proves this. The media, however, zeros in on the big bad Capitalists. Nevermind the fact that most big-business corp’s tend to be run by REP’s, thus providing jobs for much of the poor and needy. In turn, HELPING them not by giving them a hand out, but by providing them with a job.

      It’s the other-side of the coin.

  5. Robert…here is my perspective on politics from Biblical standpoint…I am a conservative, NOT a republican or a democrat actually. I believe in securing our borders because the Scriptures say that God put in Nehemiahs’s hear to build a wall and he actually found favor with the king to get a leave of absence and materials and labor so there is nothing wrong in securing the walls of our country. I believe abortion is wrong because the Scriptures say that God knit us in our mother’s womb and knitting starts with a small knot. I believe homosexuality should NOT be condoned (Leviticus 18) by allowing their unholy union to creep into a holy union which God intended to be for a man and a woman so they not only enjoy each other but also experience oneness and reproduce (Genesis). I believe God’s laws are still alive today, yea we don’t need to worry about the laws of sacrifice because Christ took care of it on the cross. God gave those laws so we can not only follow them but also at the same time experience the true blessings by following them, aka acts of obedience. I believe God calls us to help the poor…note calls US as believers, not the government and I know that the reason why government has taken this role now because the message of cross is too hostile for people to accept with the charity. I do not believe that christians have slaked away, because i see the works of our own CCC missionaries and it is overwhelming!!! I believe we should seek the peace of the city and nations, that does not mean enter into negotiations with hostile nations toward Israel and Christianity…actually the Scripture is very clear in stating that the Edomites (modern day arab and muslim nations), descendents of Esau, brother of Israel will always live in hostility toward his brothers, and that is exactly what has been happening…hostility toward Israel by Iran, Palestine and many other muslim nations, including Egypt are vowing to abolish Israel. Knowing this, our government should not be entering into negotiations with the same nations because no matter what you do, those nations will never seek to make peace. I believe God calls us to be responsible with our talents (money, resources etc.)…Mathew 25.14. I do not believe that we should be pointing fingers at rich people as if it is a sin to be rich, and whatever they do with their resources is their issue…not ours. Obviously as long as it not lead to oppression and illegal activities. Isn’t this called covetousness? We wanting a share of their wealth??? We should not be saying it is unfair for them to have so much money when i am barely making it. Our government wants to give everyone an equal status when it comes to money…well, that will never happen because Christ said very clearly that “there will always be poor amongst you”. Please know…i am not a rich person! Actually the parable of worker’s in the vineyard is a perfect example of this …Mathew 20 where the landowner is hiring workers at every hour but every worker is promised one amount of money, regardless of how many hours each put in…This is my perspective and I hope it makes sense.

  6. Janet -

    You quoted one of my FAVORITE parables: Matt 20, the landowner and value of a hard day’s work.

    I think this parable is a perfect example of America and Capitalism. It’s not always fair that others make more money for doing less work. But still, as Americans, I think it’s silly for anyone to classify us as being in the 99%, when we have so much wealth here, even among the “poor”.

    A good friend of mine lost his house to foreclosure, but still has his iPhone and iPad and laptops and XBox and computers. He just has to find a new place to “store” it all. And he has. He’s renting a home now.

    No one in America knows what it’s like to have to walk daily for water. Or lose multiple children to sub-standard health conditions. I think it’s silly and immature to classify our nation as 99%-ers. I know there are many Americans that live sub-standard lives. But nothing like what we see in 3rd world countries.

    It’s one thing to evny the rich….but don’t hate them for succeeding at the American dream. Capitalism may not be a driving Biblical principle, but it’s the foundation of which America was built on, and continues to be a successful model for our nation.

    BTW — for the record, both Presidential candidates are “rich” in my opinion (and most politicians, to). Both men earn over $1mil per year….so that’s a healthy living. One may be “more” rich than the other, but seriously…..?

    IMO.

    • Aaron,
      I agree with you 100%. Life is not fair…but compared to what? I am a naturalized US citizen by marriage. I was born and raised in India where we don’t have the luxuries of relying on the government for welfare, food, money, education etc. It is tough living, where people have to work very hard to bring food on their table. It is truly a TOUGH life. This country has not experienced it and if it did, believe me, government will come in and take the role of helping them. We as christians should come along and help them, but guess what we are but with a message and that is not appreciated which is why government barges in.

  7. I know it is late, but I figured I would at least put in my two cents in case anyone was interested. I wrote on several topics that are important to me, but would like to start with a bit about myself; I believe it is important to know where I came from and that I did not make my decisions lightly.

    I am now an out-of-the-closet Republican. I am a black woman who knows poverty well and who grew up believing that Democrats were the party for the poor and the minorities, and I also had a very poor view of the rich. I always saw the wealthy as the enemy who gained their riches by taking advantage of others, in particular the poor.
    I grew up in a poor single-mom home where we moved quite often. We were too often between homes; meaning we had to live in others’ homes, in hotels/motels, in a homeless shelter for women and children after riding the “El” in Chicago back and forth during the dead of Chicago winter (Christmas time) to keep from sleeping on the streets. My mother considered putting my sister and myself into foster care so we wouldn’t live in such unstable conditions. My father had considerable amount of money/assets, shared ownership of a private plane, which he later used to retire fairly early and start businesses as a hobby a few times, but would rather pay lawyers to ensure he wouldn’t be “forced” to pay child-support (in the courtroom he claimed he was not our father). I have watched my mother cry many tears wishing she could do so much more for my sister and myself. Because of my mother’s tender heart for us, I always felt our best Christmas was the Christmas we spent in this cheap motel when I went down to the local gas station and found a way to stretch our couple of dollars to buy a couple oranges and some crackers for our Christmas dinner. Because of my experiences, I grew up a feminist Democrat who hated men and who also despised rich people and was pro-choice until I really found out what that meant. I had no intentions ever being dependent upon a man and ending up like my mother. I would therefore never get married and have children; I would instead become a successful woman who would be different from other people with money. I would help poor people.
    Nevertheless, my Father in heaven has a great sense of humor. He wanted to use me to help the poor, but He would first want to truly prepare me for my mission. He would first humble me a LOT and He would introduce me to His other children of whom I had no knowledge and had scorned/detested. I would get a full ride scholarship to an engineering school in a small, southern hick town in Missouri, in the Ozarks, where this town had the reputation of being racist. Oh, Lord! My freshman year in college, God would bring my husband into my life, an upper-middle class Chinese boy who lived in a home that I felt people could live there without the owners’ knowledge. Oh, Lord again! My first church home was a very Republican pro-life church where all of the women stayed at home with their children and “submitted to their husbands.” Seriously, Lord! My line of work forced me to have to tutor and work with rich kids. Ugh! I didn’t want to work with rich kids; I wanted to tutor poor kids, but that never panned out.  Long story shortened (hard to believe I know), my heart was softened towards people with money. I realized they were many middle class and even rich people who were just as kind hearted and had the same values the poor had. I also discovered there were just as many crooked poor and middle class people as there were crooked rich. Good is good and evil is evil no matter the economic status. I was surprised to discover that most of the people with money were hard working people who had to work their tails off to get their money; they were not born with silver spoons in their mouths and they earned their money without taking advantage of others and/or cheating. I discovered people who were born well off (like my husband) who not only were not spoiled but were raised to work hard and earn their own way up. My husband and I paid many dues working two minimum wage jobs while going to college and taking care of our children without childcare. We had many a meals with 25cent Aldi cans of pork and beans with two hot dogs cut up in them eaten with 25cent loafs of Aldi bread , driving our beat up $550 ’78 Plymouth Volare. I learned about the tiered tax rate system and that in the highest tax bracket, the government took 50% of the income and I learned that not too long prior 70-80% of the that income was taken in taxes (until Reagan reduced the rate). Despite the fact that I didn’t exactly like “rich people,” even I felt that was unfair I for the government to take that much of their income for which they worked so hard; I know a scandalous thought for this Democratic poor black girl. I couldn’t believe it! Needless to say, I learned a lot of things that were contrary to what I heard via media and neighbors.
    Nevertheless, being a black Republican is not an easy thing to admit to being, so I have been a closet Republican until this year. I am no longer a feminist; I sacrificed my education/career to be a-stay-at-home mom for decades now, which meant it took me over a decade to complete my BA and MS degrees in mathematics and applied mathematics, respectively.

  8. I know I am late, but thought I would add my two cents in case anyone was interested. I would like to start with a brief biography so that all know where I am coming from and understand how I ended up making my decisions which were not made lightly.

    I am now an out-of-the-closet Republican. I am a black woman who knows poverty well and who grew up believing that Democrats were the party for the poor and the minorities, and I also had a very poor view of the rich. I always saw the wealthy as the enemy who gained their riches by taking advantage of others, in particular the poor.
    I grew up in a poor single-mom home where we moved quite often. We were too often between homes; meaning we had to live in others’ homes, in hotels/motels, in a homeless shelter for women and children after riding the “El” in Chicago back and forth during the dead of Chicago winter (Christmas time) to keep from sleeping on the streets. My mother considered putting my sister and myself into foster care so we wouldn’t live in such unstable conditions. My father had considerable amount of money/assets, shared ownership of a private plane, which he later used to retire fairly early and start businesses as a hobby a few times, but would rather pay lawyers to ensure he wouldn’t be “forced” to pay child-support (in the courtroom he claimed he was not our father). I have watched my mother cry many tears wishing she could do so much more for my sister and myself. Because of my mother’s tender heart for us, I always felt our best Christmas was the Christmas we spent in this cheap motel when I went down to the local gas station and found a way to stretch our couple of dollars to buy a couple oranges and some crackers for our Christmas dinner. Because of my experiences, I grew up a feminist Democrat who hated men and who also despised rich people and was pro-choice until I really found out what that meant. I had no intentions ever being dependent upon a man and ending up like my mother. I would therefore never get married and have children; I would instead become a successful woman who would be different from other people with money. I would help poor people.
    Nevertheless, my Father in heaven has a great sense of humor. He wanted to use me to help the poor, but He would first want to truly prepare me for my mission. He would first humble me a LOT and He would introduce me to His other children of whom I had no knowledge and had scorned/detested. I would get a full ride scholarship to an engineering school in a small, southern hick town in Missouri, in the Ozarks, where this town had the reputation of being racist. Oh, Lord! My freshman year in college, God would bring my husband into my life, an upper-middle class Chinese boy who lived in a home that I felt people could live there without the owners’ knowledge. Oh, Lord again! My first church home was a very Republican pro-life church where all of the women stayed at home with their children and “submitted to their husbands.” Seriously, Lord! My line of work forced me to have to tutor and work with rich kids. Ugh! I didn’t want to work with rich kids; I wanted to tutor poor kids, but that never panned out.  Long story shortened (hard to believe I know), my heart was softened towards people with money. I realized they were many middle class and even rich people who were just as kind hearted and had the same values the poor had. I also discovered there were just as many crooked poor and middle class people as there were crooked rich. Good is good and evil is evil no matter the economic status. I was surprised to discover that most of the people with money were hard working people who had to work their tails off to get their money; they were not born with silver spoons in their mouths and they earned their money without taking advantage of others and/or cheating. I discovered people who were born well off (like my husband) who not only were not spoiled but were raised to work hard and earn their own way up. My husband and I paid many dues working two minimum wage jobs while going to college and taking care of our children without childcare. We had many a meals with 25cent Aldi cans of pork and beans with two hot dogs cut up in them eaten with 25cent loafs of Aldi bread , driving our beat up $550 ’78 Plymouth Volare. I learned about the tiered tax rate system and that in the highest tax bracket, the government took 50% of the income and I learned that not too long prior 70-80% of the that income was taken in taxes (until Reagan reduced the rate). Despite the fact that I didn’t exactly like “rich people,” even I felt that was unfair I for the government to take that much of their income for which they worked so hard; I know a scandalous thought for this Democratic poor black girl. I couldn’t believe it! Needless to say, I learned a lot of things that were contrary to what I heard via media and neighbors.
    Nevertheless, being a black Republican is not an easy thing to admit to being, so I have been a closet Republican until this year. I am no longer a feminist; I sacrificed my education/career to be a-stay-at-home mom for decades now, which meant it took me over a decade to complete my BA and MS degrees in mathematics and applied mathematics, respectively.

  9. My Republican Views on Abortion:

    After seeing two of my friends emotionally hurt from abortions and after witnessing the greatest demonstrations of God’s love in the pro-life pregnancy center run by the most godly/loving and submissive women (who also happened to be ex-feminists), I became very active in the pro-life movement. I can attest that the pro-life movement is not just about saving babies. It is about saving children, adoption/caring for the orphans, caring for the mothers, providing counseling for women who have had abortions, about caring for handicapped and for the elderly (protecting them from euthanasia/mercy killings). Pro-lifers sacrifice their time for women and their children, they donate their own hard earned money to pay for rent/food, etc. for women and their children in need, and they often adopt orphans. They transform lives counseling, provision, etc. Pro-lifers are pro-LIFE of all until death.
    I am like many who say that we cannot legislate ALL forms of morality; however we do and should have some laws that legislate morality. It is necessary to create some laws that legislate basic morality to protect members of society from being harmed by others or even by ourselves. Therefore, we make theft, murder, manslaughter, illicit drug use, suicide, etc. illegal. I believe abortion is murder and therefore falls under the category of the previous examples since it involves harming another human being. Meanwhile, while abortion is legal, if a woman chooses to have an abortion, that is her choice. Nevertheless, that is her choice and she should be the one to deal with those consequences and costs just as one should be responsible to pay for the choice of having plastic surgery done. That is one’s choice and therefore one’s responsibility to pay for that choice and the consequences that come along with that. No one else should be forced to pay for her choice. It is common sense. It is also wrong to force churches/businesses run by believers to be forced to participate in something they believe is a sin and definitely in such a horrific act as the murder of an innocent child. It is heartless to force someone to participate in and to fund genocide. Therefore I support the Republican platform which discourages federal funds being used to fund abortions and contrary to the propaganda that is cluttering my mailbox, this does not take away anyone’s rights to birth control nor is it forcing our viewpoints onto others, but not allowing others to force their viewpoints onto us by making us pay for their choices.
    Additionally, meanwhile, while abortions are legal, I strongly believe we should focus on two major forms of injustice. First, children should not be allowed to obtain an abortion without permission from their parents/legal guardians. Abortion is a dangerous surgical procedure and children are not responsible enough to decide what kind of surgical procedures they should have, they are not wise enough to find a “good and safe” abortionist, and rarely are on top of their medical history needed for abortions. Therefore, when there are medical complications that can lead to other medical issues, children rarely can handle how to handle these complications. My heart broke when I heard this women call in to Jay Sekulow seeking assistance since her daughter had a condition that caused her to bleed incessantly and the daughter was too immature/ignorant to alert her abortionist. He did not look into medical history and performed the abortion. The daughter became very ill with much internal bleeding and nearly died. This complications cost the mother thousands of dollars she could not afford and the abortionist has no liability. This leads to another regulation we should have – abortionists should be held liable for their medical malpractice. They are free from much of the normal liability normal physicians have in order to “preserve the rights of women.” It becomes more of a preservation of income for the affluent abortion industry versus protecting the women. Another very important reason for requiring the permission of the parents/legal guardians would be to protect children from incest. Currently, if girls become pregnant by their fathers/grandfathers/uncles etc. there is little to no accountability since the adult perpetrator can force/strongly encourage the girl to abort the evidence of the incestual relationship. If the approval were needed, there would be greater accountability.
    I also happen to be against the death penalty as well. Nevertheless, given the choice of whom to spend my efforts saving, I opt to spend more time saving innocent children who do not have a voice to protect themselves (part of the least of these) versus saving criminals from being punished by the state, which was done quite often in the Bible and is approved by God. Like it or not, God actually not only condones the punishment of many crimes by death but also commanded the “state” to punish certain crimes by death (Read the Law given to the Israelites). God also commanded “state” punishment of whole societies who were so over run with evil, it was necessary to rid of the evil by ridding of the whole culture including children.

  10. My Republicans Views on how to help the poor (and on education):

    My mission is still to help the poor and the minorities. My calling is to complete the true civil rights movement by creating a true affirmative action program – ensure minorities/poor kids are properly educated and therefore have equal opportunities to be competitive in the workforce. We are currently operating under what is effectively equivalent to a South African apartheid mentality. Bantu Education Act, Act No 47 of 1953 Established a Black Education Department in the Department of Native Affairs which would compile a curriculum that suited the “nature and requirements of the black people”. The author of the legislation, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd (then Minister of Native Affairs, later Prime Minister), stated that its aim was to prevent Africans receiving an education that would lead them to aspire to positions they wouldn’t be allowed to hold in society. Instead Africans were to receive an education designed to provide them with skills to serve their own people in the homelands or to work in labouring jobs under whites. (http://africanhistory.about.com/library/bl/blsalaws.htm)”
    Given our current public education system, we have the effective equivalent to this act. A significant percentage of minorities have inferior education and eventually become “poor.” Our educators consistently have low expectations of minority/poor children and the students perform to those expectations. Education should be equal. Our schools should not show favoritism, but they do. Then they try to make amends by showing favoritism in the opposite direction – affirmative action – minority rewards/scholarships. This is contrary to what God desires and to His character. I strongly support the Republican platform that to fix the problem is to address the problem which is why there is a need for education reform – merit based pay, reducing power of educational unions who have been corrupt for quite sometime. As Lord Action stated, “Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men .“
    Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
    Job 34:19 who shows no partiality to princes and does not favor the rich over the poor, for they are all the work of his hands?
    Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes
    If minorities are to be educated, we must pull them out of the public school system and educate them ourselves. I strongly agree with the Republicans that we need the voucher system. It is easier and cheaper to prevent crime/poverty than to put a Bandaid on the issues later created by the lack of education and competitive abilities. It is also more humane and godly to believe in children and say they are they are capable of more. To offer such schools to families who are in the lower and middle income brackets, we need to give them greater financial freedom to take their children to a school of their choice. With the vouchers, they will still not be able to afford extremely expensive private schools, but they can afford smaller private schools and/or purchase curriculum and homeschool their children.
    I also suppor the Republican platform regarding affirmative action. I have found that simply giving scholarships to minorities to attend college and/or hiring them to fulfill a quota for colleges does not help minorities but rather is actually a subtle insult. It is assuming that we cannot do as well based on our own merit. It is implying that we have to be mercifully GIVEN the opportunities to attend college even though we are not really capable. It is also setting minorities up for failure since they are ill prepared to do the work needed to stay in the college programs unless given “freebies as grades.” I believe there are greater number of minorities that are just as capable of learning the material needed to succeed in life and that are equally capable of doing well in math and science, areas we are rarely encouraged to pursue/study. Affirmative action would be best achieved via education reform and encouraging greater expectations when minorities are young.
    The concept of greater expectations is a lost concept in our in our education system, which seems to allow/encourage of mediocrity. Students are too often told to not advance themselves or to try topics above their level. Also, all too often students who excel are not applauded but are ignored, ridiculed, and deliberately forced to remain stagnant to ensure all students perform at the “same level” as if all children are exactly the same in everything they do and are. This goes against the idea that people are supposed to work according to their talents given. They are encouraged to do what the unfaithful servant in the parable of the talents did. Education reform is necessary. Additionally, students should be allowed to be given vouchers and allowed to attend schools of their choice.
    In addition to helping reduce the number of poor via prevention, one must also address those who are currently poor. Biblically this should be done via gleaning – God’s welfare system, if you may.
    God wanted to ensure that the poor were taken care of by allowing them to glean from the lands so that they wouldn’t starve. Note, God allowed the poor to keep their dignity and wanted to ensure that they had the privilege of working (a gift He had given mankind even before the Fall). According to God’s divine plan, the poor would not lose the privilege to take care of themselves since He instructed the rich/land owners to NOT harvest all of the crops and then give extras to the poor; God said to leave the extras for the poor to work and gather themselves.
    Leviticus 19:
    9. And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
    10. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.
    Deuteronomy 24:
    19. When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
    20. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
    21. When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
    22. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this thing.
    Deuteronomy 23:
    24. When thou comest into thy neighbour’s vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.
    25. When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour’s standing corn.

    Often our welfare system has failed to follow these guidelines. Only recently after enough Democrats finally joined Republicans to reform the welfare system was much done to give the poor the privilege to work versus encouraging them to not work and to become completely dependent upon others (a form of entitlement – an abused term of which I too am tired of hearing, but of which I am more tired of witnessing).
    As stated before, I do not believe one can legislate all forms of morality. Giving money to the poor can be a form of morality (not always). Nevertheless, the act of not giving money to the poor in the form of welfare is not harming others (I am sure some of you are gasping now but wait before you scream). It may not help others in the way that some want to help, but it not harming them. Therefore, it does not fall under the category of something that should be legislated. This is of course assuming that giving money to the poor is a moral thing to do. Again, sometimes it is not the moral thing to do. In the parable of the talents, Jesus gave talents according to ability to handle. Not all were able to handle multiplying many talents and were given less. Some poor are not capable of handling their money well so giving them money will literally do them no good. They need to be helped with other methods. I have many friends whom I love and would die for. I help them but would never give them money because I have seen how they handle the money and know that in one week they will be back in the same situation they were in before. I have other friends whom I would give money because I know it would help them. There is no one way to help the poor which is why it cannot be legislated on a federal level via the welfare system. Churches know people personally and can help people learn how to handle their finances and make the money go where it should go. Individuals/foundations can do the same.

  11. My Republican Views on Sexual Sin:

    Regarding sexual sin, I believe the government should not create legislation that would mandate that I support any sexual sin in any fashion whether it be verbally, emotionally, spiritually, or financially. I am opposed to all forms of sexual sin including fornication, homosexuality, polygamy, beastiality, pornography (even soft porn – our commercials/movies), prostitution, sex trafficking, etc. Therefore, I believe it is my right to practice my freedom of religion and do not have to express support of these actions, nor I believe that I should financially support these behaviors. Due to the increase of the attempts to force approval/support of sinful sexual lifestyles which include: harassments and bullying of churches/preachers/Christian who speak against sexual sins, the ultimatums given to Christian adoption agencies to allow homosexual couples adopt from their agencies or no longer operate as adoption agencies, brainwashing of children in public schools, firing of Christian pro-life nurses who opt to not help with abortion procedures, the new laws requiring Christian business owners to fund abortions, and if gay marriages become legal – forcing Christian business owners to pay for insurance for partners and pastors will no longer be able to preach against sexual sins such as homosexuality (see Canada as an example), etc., I have to say we need legislation to protect our religious freedoms. The constitution guarantees our freedom from the government dictating how we should practice our religion. Conservatives have not forgotten this important freedom of religion. Unfortunately, those who practice sexual sins have declared war on Christians and we need protection. An example of this propaganda I hear each day, including many flyers in my mail, are statements made such as “Republicans are ‘trying to make birth control decisions for [Colorado] women and families.’” I.e. Republicans don’t want to use federal funds for birth control for women. Republicans do not want to dictate how women run their lives. If they want to have many sexual partners and live such a dangerous lifestyle, that is their prerogative. However, Republicans believe and I agree that those women should be responsible for paying for their own “rights.”
    I support the conservative Republicans who tend to enforce the laws of morality we already have established to protect women and children from pornography and sexual predators. We can do much more to protect women and children, particularly orphans, the fatherless, and the runaways who are at greater risk of sexual predators and prostitution. So far, more conservative Republicans support my views versus the liberals who tend to work more to support freedom of speech (which ironically does not include freedom of preaching against sins). I also support the conservatives who also tend to work hard to remove government funding of the distasteful and ungodly arts (pornographic art, art with fecal matter, etc.). I know that God would not approve of the use of our funds for such things; it would not be good stewardship of our money.

  12. Dear Mathpioneers,
    I am impressed by your knowledge of some of these political views and also how you beautifully compared it to the Word of God. A lof of information you pointed out actually i wasn’t thinking in those terms but now i am. Very good information and very knowledgable.

    • I grew up very poor with a single mother working 3 jobs, until she got herself through school studying during her night job and finally became a cop. When i hear the those calling for caring for ‘the least of these’ and then go on to say that they vote democrat so that the government will fullfill this role i cringe. I dont see anywhere in the Bible where God says that the goverment should take care of the least of these, the verse is speaking about our personal behavior and living. Romney gave a much larger portion of his personal income to charity (3000% more) than Obama or Biden, and did not ever bring it up….that is personal conviction. I cannot vote for a party that claps at their convention for the removal of God from their platform, forced charity by taxing, supports the killing of babies including those that survive the first murder attempt, and then directly opposes Gods word by supporting gay marriage and allow it to be a forced value in our churches and our children. That is not protecting the least of these, it is an afront to Gods design for humanity, it is government replacing the role of God, and it is the result of Christians who have gotten wishy washy on believing Gods word and putting their own emotions and personal desires, feelings, and coveniences before God. We are following the bandwagon into a more perverted, less responsible, government FORCED charity (as opposed to giving of your own good will), dependent, excuse ridden society from which it will be very painful to come back from.
      Government has not changed poverty statistics since the ‘war on poverty’ was introduced because government cant, and is not supposed to, solve poverty, people are through Gods power and direction.

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