Let’s Talk Faith and Politics: Progressives & Democrats (p4)

Today we’ll hear from those of you who would describe yourself as progressive and/or Democrat.

I’m assuming that you’ve read this article:  Why I am a Christian and Democrat

Same two questions:

  1. How do you agree/disagree with the article?
  2. How did your faith & study of scripture lead you to your political position?

Look forward to your thoughts.

Tomorrow we will hear from those of you who lean toward alternative approaches.

(If you are just not entering into this dialogue please read this first:  Let’s Talk Faith and Politics (p1))

8 thoughts on “Let’s Talk Faith and Politics: Progressives & Democrats (p4)

  1. I am a Christian. I am an American. One by birth, one by choice.

    Being a Christian is a choice, Jesus never forced anyone to follow Him or His ways. I follow Jesus in the way he intended, freely. I follow his ways out of love for Him. Not because I am forced to by Caesar’s law.. correction, by someone’s interpretation of God’s Law translated into Caesar’s Law.

    You cannot force people to be followers of Christ, it is a condition of the heart and only God can make a heart change. Jesus example to us was to never judge, be dismissive or shaming to those not following. He just tried to help them understand God love and grace. That is how Jesus tried to change people’s heart, with love. He never tried to remove or prevent their freedoms because they were not His followers. Nor did He try to create Civil laws to punish those who broke God’s laws. When you break God’s laws, that is between you and God, not the civil court system.

    When I vote, I vote not as a Christian but as an American, taking all of this country’s preset guidelines into my consideration. I am mindful that in history, in more than one place, Christianity has been, or still is, illegal. As an American I am grateful for my right to practice my faith openly and as an American I am careful to not prevent others from enjoying that same freedom.

    I use my works to help non-believers find and follow Jesus, not my vote to force them.

    • Well said. Thank you for sharing your point of view. It is how I, too, have been thinking about the issues in this election, but you have put it into words far better than I could! Thank you!

  2. I appreciate Maura’s comment and her reminder of the gratitude we should feel that Christianity is legal in our country. Thanks to Maura for being brave enough to go first!

    I vote as a Democrat and admit that I frequently feel defensive of my vote when discussing with other Christians. After I read the RELEVANT article yesterday, but the line that stuck with me most is, “ I have a Christian concentration on the neighbor and the stranger.” This sentiment boils down precisely why I am a Christian – I believe in the golden rule which tells me to help the marginalized, no matter what their poverty results from.

    My faith is still evolving and I make no claims to be a model Christian. Raised in the Catholic church, I found myself frustrated and left faith all together for most of my twenties. Only in the past five years have I rekindled my passion for knowing God, and CCC has been instrumental in this. God is leading me to be a Christian and I feel it in my daily life. I can’t be sure, but I feel the same push from God in my vote, which I consider the push to uplift my fellow Americans who need a hand and to spread the opportunity to love freely.

    This open invitation to post has been weighing on my mind a lot, and I’ll admit it is partially because I’m afraid of being “wrong.” Social issues are the most angst-ridden topic for me. While my faith tells me that abortion is wrong, I believe in living in a country where church and state are separate and individuals make decisions for themselves. My faith also tells me that Jesus was the best proponent of love of all time. I also cannot imagine a Jesus who would take any rights away from any couple in love, gay or straight.

    After wringing my hands plenty in formulating my response, I’m reminded of Pastor Robert’s beautiful sermon on the end days. Robert crisscrossed the stage wearing eons of styles of hats and explaining varying views on the apocalypse. After a flood of opposing ideas, Robert sat down (sans hat) and told us the best answer he had – none of us know. It was one of the most touching sermons I’ve ever heard, and I carry the message with me. We don’t know which way God would want us to vote, we can’t pretend to imagine Jesus’ party affiliation, we’re just all here doing the best we can with what we know. There is no wrong answer here.

    On my commute, I drive past the most beautiful message I’ve heard this election season, “Right Wing, Left Wing, All Under God’s Wing.” I’ve submitted my vote as a Democrat this year, but I’m ready to go back to just being a Christian without constant divisions among my fellow followers.

  3. I am a Christian and a….bloody liberal. I am. I don’t apologize for it. My life work involves building inclusive communities. I believe it’s God inspired. That said, when you have a platform in the church (worship leading for example), being politically neutral is very necessary. I can’t tell you the number of fb private messages I get when people find out that I support very “liberal policies.” They have basically casted me into hell. I used to wail over it…seriously, and then I thought about it. If I feel called to be light in certain communities, then I also know that if my steps are ordered, everyone of them by God, then it doesn’t matter what the world thinks. I have met so many Christians who hold the emergent church philosophy and that has given me a space to be raggedy in my pursuit of God’s heart. It’s messy and sometimes, I get discouraged. I can’t really put my finger on why I vote as a liberal democrat, but I can say that when I read a report that says the electorate is growing more racist, or homophobic, or anti-everything, it makes me wonder. When I see my Christian brothers and sisters posting racist images of the president, or repeating talking points from far-right and far-left media, it makes me incredibly angry. We have allowed ourselves to be manipulated in that way. It took me a long time to get to the place where I understood what I believe and it changes all the time. Pastor Robert, thanks for allowing us to discuss in a safe place.

  4. Collinus Newsome Hutt
    on October 31, 2012 at 9:45 am
    As a pro-life democrat, it’s not just about abortion. It’s about all things that take lives. I can’t understand for the life of me why someone would say they are against abortion in one breath and then in the next say cutting programs like Head Start or other entitlement spending (welfare and WIC) should be cut. It’s amazing to me that you can be pro-life but be against common sense gun-control (semiautomatic rifles for example). Pro-life but against the Environmental Protection Agency (clean air and water). I could go on, but it’s amazing to me that pro-life as it relates to abortion is only part of the conversation.

  5. I was reading the life of Paul Tiilich the theologian and existentialist, Don’t ask me what that means because no one can fully explain it. Anyway I ran across in the my reading that the Nazi’s were christians. It said they believed in God and kicked Paul Tillich out of Germany in a way. The point it was making was that we are christians in our on minds-say what!. Repulicans, Democrats and Liberterians are all christians and have their reasons of belief. I voted Democrat in this election because I fully believed that the poor would not make it or have a very difficult time if we went the other way. We all will still be christians after the election and have a lot of work to do. It is certain in my mind that people need us in this world and we have to spend some money.

    I am also a Republican as I said on Monday about certain issues but when it comes to providing needs to people I am a Democrat, go figure.

  6. I am a Democrat and here’s why:

    In the beginning God created humanity (Adam and Eve). God in his infinite wisdom and power chose to give them free will, the option to choose to live according to His statues or not. This theme is recurrent throughout scripture from the stories of the Israelites, any of the prophets, all the accounts of the gospels. The same is true today. God relies on me as a Christian to be salt and light in the world. Legislating that all live as salt and light makes us more like the Pharisee than Christ.

    Just because I live in the world, doesn’t mean I have to live like the world. So I am pro-life, I believe marriage is between a man and woman. Those are based on my Christian beliefs. I don’t believe government should legislate my Christianity, making it law of the land because I don’t feel that’s God’s intention even from the beginning of time.

    The bible speaks of caring for orphans and widows and I believe that is what he calls the church to do. Where the church has vacated the marketplace for our own fame and fortune, the government is having to pick up more slack – hints the expansion of programs to help those less fortunate. If we do our part as the church, their will be less need for more government intervention – until then…

    Luke 6 states, “Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down shaken together and running over shall it return unto your bosom.” What a picture of the blessing that comes from having open hands to give and as long as they are open, God will fill them again. I say to say, I’m ok with paying more in taxes so that others can be blessed. For those that take advantage of the blessing of God, because that’s truly what all our resources are, then God deal with them – not me!

    So at core of my democratic vote is what I believe God’s intent is for his people – to choose him based on relationship with Him and his people and to be a blessing to others. That’s what I believe Jesus modeled during his life on Earth and what I want to model in my daily life – even at the voting booth!

  7. I’m a Independent with a Democratic lean. I view scripture and politics in light of God putting in place government as a part of His sovereign plan providing structure rather than chaos. When our God puts good or bad government in place, He does so with an infinite viewpoint that actually points to His glory. I also recognize as a Christian, that I have a dual citizenship in this life (earthly and heavenly). God sent me (us) to this world as ambassadors (2Cor. 5:20) to win the world to Himself. He did not send us to be vested in focusing primarily on the cares of this life, but the one to come.(Col. 3:1-3) When one is sent as an ambassador,he is to faithfully represent the country that sent them. (Believers are sent from heaven) Our goal is not to demand our rights or to trust our intellect outside of His will. If I were to appropriately label myself I would be considered a Theocrat. God cares for the poor and disenfranchised as lived out through the life of Christ. He does not want us to be vigilanties, however (taking matters into our own hands;ala the servant’s ear being cut off) Finally, if I lack Love and live in Fear in confronting the issues of this life (homosexuality, abortionist, etc) then God’s message (the gospel) will lose it’s effectiveness. Instead God requires us to PRAY and walk in the Spirit and not the Flesh.

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